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Times are tough right now, and nearly everyone is feeling the pressure - it’s universal. Whether you’re in a wellbeing role, a wellbeing champion, a people leader, or someone who believes wellbeing should and can be a core part of work, I hear you: the challenges are real and the cost is too high. I’m Sarah McGuinness, founder and editor of Revolutionaries of Wellbeing (ROW) and a workplace wellbeing specialist with a background in psychology. I know firsthand what burnout feels like because I’ve been there. In 2020, I hit rock bottom, and recovery was a long road. Sharing my story opened my eyes to just how many others were fighting the same battle, and it became clear: something needed to change. That’s why I created ROW - to break burnout culture for good. This podcast exists for you. If you’ve ever felt the burn of burnout or seen its impact on your team, this is your space to find support, solutions, and inspiration. With 57% of New Zealanders at high risk of burnout - and similar trends around the world - it’s clear we need fast, practical, evidence-based approaches. Each episode is designed to help you make a difference, with real stories, expert insights, and practical suggestions you can take away to improve the culture in your workplace and support your colleagues. But it’s not just about burnout. We dive into the issues that matter most, like inclusivity, bullying, menopause, financial health, psychological safety, and more - all with the goal of helping you grow personally and professionally. By tuning in, you’ll not only discover ways to boost your own wellbeing but also learn how to create lasting impact at work. And you’re not alone in this journey. ROW is a growing community of HR and health and safety professionals, people leaders, and wellbeing advocates just like you, working to transform workplace practices into real business success. So join us as we tackle burnout culture and drive a revolution forward - one episode at a time. Together, we can do this.
Episodes

Tuesday Feb 25, 2025
Tuesday Feb 25, 2025
What if the key to ending burnout culture is in the stories of those who’ve lived it and come out the other side?
In this powerful episode of the Revolutionaries of Wellbeing podcast, three prominent New Zealand leaders open up about their personal journeys through crisis and recovery.
In this episode, we're joined by:
- Joanna Sinclair, Chief Wellbeing Officer (then National Clinical Lead for Employee Wellbeing) at Te Whatu Ora Health NZ and Consultant Anaesthetist,
- Rob Beard, Owner of Beard Brothers Smallgoods, and
- Matthew Tukaki, Chair of the National Māori Authority
This is a real and honest conversation about the toll of burnout, mental health struggles, and physical challenges on leadership. Our guests share their personal experiences, what helped them recover, and why self-care matters - especially for leaders. We’ll also talk about practical ways to support employees through tough times.
We also touch on suicide in this episode, so if anything feels heavy, please reach out to your trusted people or call a local support helpline. As our guests say, these conversations matter.
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Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Boost your wellbeing and make a difference at work: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
When it comes to wellbeing at work, body image isn’t often (ever?) at the top of the priority list. Yet, it can have a profound impact on how people perceive themselves and their abilities in the workplace.
Our relationship with our bodies doesn't stay at home when we go to work. It comes with us and can affect our confidence, willingness to contribute and speak up, and ultimately, our career growth.
Years of research have linked body image to factors such as self-esteem and mental health. Emerging research has linked it to workplace factors like job satisfaction and social engagement.
In this episode, we’re joined by advocate, speaker, and coach Emma Wright to discuss body image, its impact on work, and some key differences we need to be aware of. We’ll also discuss practical steps organisations can take to support healthy body image discussions and reduce harm, and the steps we can all take to foster a healthy body image for the next generation.
This is an important conversation - and one that’s long overdue.
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Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Boost your wellbeing and make a difference at work: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.
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Monday Jan 20, 2025
Monday Jan 20, 2025
If your workplace thinks wellbeing is puppies and popsicles, then this episode is for you.
Getting your colleagues engaged in wellbeing at work can be hard. Even in organisations where safety is a huge focus, it doesn’t always mean they actually get what wellbeing is all about. So, what can you do?
Today, I’m joined by Leora Hornstein, an award-winning wellbeing specialist at Cenovus Energy in Canada. For the record, Leora and I often catch up, over time zones and continents to share ideas and chat all things wellbeing. She is an absolute superstar.
Leora started as a nurse before moving in a dedicated wellbeing role. In this episode, we’ll dive into what wellbeing looks like in the energy sector, explore the unique challenges of embedding wellbeing in a safety-focused organisation, and discuss her incredible advocacy for mental health awareness. Plus, we’ll unpack emerging trends in workplace wellbeing.
No matter your workplace or location, this conversation is packed with insights you won’t want to miss!
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Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Boost your wellbeing and make a difference at work: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.
And make sure you subscribe so you don't miss an episode!

Tuesday Dec 10, 2024
Tuesday Dec 10, 2024
Today’s podcast guest shared a startling statistic: we spend a whopping 82,000 hours of our lives at work. While many of us are great at prioritising our physical health outside the office - going for runs, eating well, walking in nature - we often forget about our physical wellbeing in the place where we spend most of our waking hours – especially if we’re desk-bound. It's a bit of a disconnect and it could be harmful in the long run.
In this episode, we’re joined by Agnes Lisowska Masson from Logitech. Agnes is an expert in human-computer interaction, working in the lab to discover what really works.
We explore how to make our workspaces work for us, not against us, and we look at how small changes in our daily routines can make a big difference.
No matter where you're working - from home, in a shared office space, or in a traditional office setting - this episode is packed with useful tips to help you work smarter and create a happy desk space that will boost your wellbeing.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Tuesday Nov 19, 2024
Episode 47: Case study - How NZTA Waka Kotahi tackles psychosocial safety
Tuesday Nov 19, 2024
Tuesday Nov 19, 2024
Psychosocial safety is the latest buzzword in health, safety, and wellbeing circles, and for a good reason. Australia has led the charge in bringing psychosocial hazards into the spotlight, sparking important conversations about why every business must address them.
But when it comes to understanding what psychosocial hazards are, and how to manage them, things can get confusing. There’s a lot of jargon and a lot to get your head around.
So, how do big organisations handle this? Today, we’ll explore a case study from the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) Waka Kotahi, looking at how they structured their approach to psychosocial hazards.
Our guests are Shelley Easton and Ryan Young from NZTA Waka Kotahi, who will walk us through how their organisation used ISO 45003 as a framework. They’ll share how they secured senior leader buy-in, implemented effective controls, and set up systems to continuously monitor their impact. It’s all about making real, meaningful progress - because perfect isn’t the goal.
If you’re a wellbeing champion, HR professional, or health and safety manager, you’ll want to stick around for this one. There’s so much to learn from Waka Kotahi’s experience and plenty of practical takeaways to bring back to your workplace.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
Imagine a workplace where giving feedback feels completely safe and normal - a place where you can share your ideas or concerns without worrying that things might go badly. Unfortunately, many of us hold back from speaking up because we’ve either felt dismissed before or experienced situations where it all went wrong. But what if we could change that?
In this episode, we’re diving into psychological safety with executive leadership coach and author Suzi McAlpine. She explains why it’s essential for team engagement and decision-making, and how to foster trust within your team to combat burnout and enhance wellbeing and performance.
We’ll also cover the telltale signs of low psychological safety, the role of vulnerability in leadership, and the simple shifts that can make feedback a natural part of your team’s culture. This one is great for people leaders!
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Monday Oct 14, 2024
Episode 45: Sleep easy - Understanding sleep, wellbeing and the workplace
Monday Oct 14, 2024
Monday Oct 14, 2024
Sleep is something we all do, and yet it’s a bit of a mystery. How much do we really need? What happens when we sleep? And why is it sometimes so hard to achieve, no matter how hard we try? These questions affect millions of people worldwide, impacting their health, life satisfaction, and productivity.
In this episode, we explore sleep with Bernice Tuffery, a sleep health advocate and author of "Sleep Easy". Bernice's journey from struggling with insomnia to becoming a sleep health coach is both inspiring and full of useful insights for anyone looking to improve their sleep. We also discuss how workplaces can support their employees' sleep health, creating a more productive and healthier work environment.
Whether you're a night owl, an early bird, or somewhere in between, this episode is packed with practical strategies and interesting insights to help you rethink your approach to sleep.
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Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Sunday Sep 29, 2024
Sunday Sep 29, 2024
In this episode, we’re exploring the profound impact trauma can have on people, teams, and organisations, and how workplaces can better respond and be more trauma-aware. We’ll unpack the difference between stress and trauma, and look at how events like the COVID-19 pandemic have reshaped our sense of wellbeing.
To better understand the effects of trauma, we’re joined by Ross Anderson, an Australian-based registered psychologist, executive coach, and leadership development expert. Ross has led complex change initiatives across sectors like Defence, Health, and Utilities, and formerly served as Director of MBS Mt Eliza executive education.
He brings extensive experience in trauma management, having served as Director of the National Trauma Clinic. Ross has been on the ground responding to critical incidents like the Queen St., Hoddle Street, and Port Arthur massacres, workplace injuries, and fatalities. His deep understanding offers invaluable insights into creating trauma-informed workplaces.
Here’s what you’ll take away from this episode:
- A better understanding of what trauma is and how it’s different from ongoing stress
- Key signs to look for in team members who may be experiencing trauma
- How different generations might respond to trauma
- The link between burnout and trauma—and why it’s important to recognize
- Practical steps for fostering a trauma-informed workplace
Whether you’re a leader, an HR professional, or simply looking to understand trauma in the workplace better, this episode provides valuable tools and insights to help you create a healthier, more supportive environment for your team, even during the toughest of times.
If anything in this episode feels a bit close to the bone, we encourage you to reach out to someone you trust or your national helpline.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

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Learn how to improve workplace wellbeing from the experts
Guests join ROW Founder and CEO Sarah McGuinness to explore topics we can’t afford to ignore. On this podcast, learn about important topics, gain insights and build your workplace wellbeing capability. Be inspired and learn about issues we can all take action on.
About ROW
The Revolutionaires of Wellbeing (ROW) helps wellbeing managers and champions to be change-makers and to create better workplaces, together. With a community of leaders from organisations around the globe, ROW is dedicated to helping you to develop your professional expertise, access practical tools and resources, and network with peers and experts to meaningfully improve workplace wellbeing. We bring together experts and businesses to solve collective challenges and to share knowledge and experience.
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