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Times are tough right now, and nearly everyone is feeling the pressure. Whether you’re a wellbeing professional, a champion, a people leader, or someone who believes wellbeing should be central to work, you'll know the challenges are real and the cost is high.
I’m Sarah McGuinness, founder of Revolutionaries of Wellbeing (ROW) and a workplace wellbeing specialist with a psychology background. I know firsthand what burnout feels like - I burnt out spectacularly in 2020, and recovery was a very long road.
Sharing my story made me realise how many others were struggling too, and that something had to change. That’s what we're now doing at ROW: breaking burnout culture - for good.
This podcast is for you. Each episode brings real stories, expert insights, and practical strategies to help you make a difference -whether that’s boosting your own wellbeing, supporting your team, or transforming workplace culture.
We tackle burnout and explore the issues that matter most: inclusivity, bullying, menopause, financial health, psychological safety, and more.
Join our growing community of HR and health and safety professionals, people leaders, and wellbeing advocates. Together, we can challenge burnout culture and create lasting impact - one episode at a time.
Next season of episodes drops early 2026!
Times are tough right now, and nearly everyone is feeling the pressure. Whether you’re a wellbeing professional, a champion, a people leader, or someone who believes wellbeing should be central to work, you'll know the challenges are real and the cost is high.
I’m Sarah McGuinness, founder of Revolutionaries of Wellbeing (ROW) and a workplace wellbeing specialist with a psychology background. I know firsthand what burnout feels like - I burnt out spectacularly in 2020, and recovery was a very long road.
Sharing my story made me realise how many others were struggling too, and that something had to change. That’s what we're now doing at ROW: breaking burnout culture - for good.
This podcast is for you. Each episode brings real stories, expert insights, and practical strategies to help you make a difference -whether that’s boosting your own wellbeing, supporting your team, or transforming workplace culture.
We tackle burnout and explore the issues that matter most: inclusivity, bullying, menopause, financial health, psychological safety, and more.
Join our growing community of HR and health and safety professionals, people leaders, and wellbeing advocates. Together, we can challenge burnout culture and create lasting impact - one episode at a time.
Episodes

Tuesday Nov 09, 2021
Episode 22: Rethinking work hours with a 4-day week
Tuesday Nov 09, 2021
Tuesday Nov 09, 2021
In this interview, we explore the idea of a 4-day working week.
COVID-19 has certainly forced a rethink on modern work practices, and the 4-day working week has hit the headlines as a potential game-changer for productivity and workplace wellbeing.
Many in New Zealand will know of the success of the four-day working week at Perpetual Guardian. It made headlines around the world in 2019 when results showed the introduction of a compressed schedule delivered an increase in worker productivity, engagement, wellbeing, and job satisfaction.
Having seen the success, other big-name brands have jumped on board. Even New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has given it a stamp of approval as a flexible work option. So, how does it work? What are the pros and cons, and in which organisations is it likely to be most successful?
Joining us in this interview is Andrew Barnes, founder of Perpetual Guardian and founder of 4 Day Week Global and the 4 Day Week Global Foundation. Andrew is also on the advisory boards of both the US and Ireland 4 Day Week campaigns and the board of the newly created Wellbeing Research Centre at Oxford University.
Andrew shares his experience with launching a 4-day week across multiple businesses, plus shares insights on the future of work.
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