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Times are tough right now, and nearly everyone is feeling the pressure. Whether you’re a wellbeing professional, a champion, a people leader, or someone who believes wellbeing should be central to work, you'll know the challenges are real and the cost is high.
I’m Sarah McGuinness, founder of Revolutionaries of Wellbeing (ROW) and a workplace wellbeing specialist with a psychology background. I know firsthand what burnout feels like - I burnt out spectacularly in 2020, and recovery was a very long road.
Sharing my story made me realise how many others were struggling too, and that something had to change. That’s what we're now doing at ROW: breaking burnout culture - for good.
This podcast is for you. Each episode brings real stories, expert insights, and practical strategies to help you make a difference -whether that’s boosting your own wellbeing, supporting your team, or transforming workplace culture.
We tackle burnout and explore the issues that matter most: inclusivity, bullying, menopause, financial health, psychological safety, and more.
Join our growing community of HR and health and safety professionals, people leaders, and wellbeing advocates. Together, we can challenge burnout culture and create lasting impact - one episode at a time.
Episodes

Jul 1, 2025
Jul 1, 2025
39 min
Ever worked in a team that just clicked - where everyone had each other’s backs and you felt like you belonged? What if you could create that on purpose? Turns out, you can, and it’s not just about being nice. It’s about leadership, clarity, and knowing what gets in the way.
In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Emma Clarke - a Kiwi researcher and specialist, currently based in Europe. Emma’s just wrapped up her PhD on leadership, psychological safety, and wellbeing in professional services, and she’s now channeling that research into a new startup. We dive into her key findings, including a practical 3-Factor Model of Psychological Safety, which is incredibly timely.
Whether you’re leading a team or working to shift culture in your organisation, there’s something in this for you.
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Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Boost your wellbeing and make a difference at work: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Feb 25, 2025
Feb 25, 2025
46 min
What if the key to ending burnout culture is in the stories of those who’ve lived it and come out the other side?
In this powerful episode of the Revolutionaries of Wellbeing podcast, three prominent New Zealand leaders open up about their personal journeys through crisis and recovery.
In this episode, we're joined by:
- Joanna Sinclair, Chief Wellbeing Officer (then National Clinical Lead for Employee Wellbeing) at Te Whatu Ora Health NZ and Consultant Anaesthetist,
- Rob Beard, Owner of Beard Brothers Smallgoods, and
- Matthew Tukaki, Chair of the National Māori Authority
This is a real and honest conversation about the toll of burnout, mental health struggles, and physical challenges on leadership. Our guests share their personal experiences, what helped them recover, and why self-care matters - especially for leaders. We’ll also talk about practical ways to support employees through tough times.
We also touch on suicide in this episode, so if anything feels heavy, please reach out to your trusted people or call a local support helpline. As our guests say, these conversations matter.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Boost your wellbeing and make a difference at work: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Feb 11, 2025
Feb 11, 2025
51 min
When it comes to wellbeing at work, body image isn’t often (ever?) at the top of the priority list. Yet, it can have a profound impact on how people perceive themselves and their abilities in the workplace.
Our relationship with our bodies doesn't stay at home when we go to work. It comes with us and can affect our confidence, willingness to contribute and speak up, and ultimately, our career growth.
Years of research have linked body image to factors such as self-esteem and mental health. Emerging research has linked it to workplace factors like job satisfaction and social engagement.
In this episode, we’re joined by advocate, speaker, and coach Emma Wright to discuss body image, its impact on work, and some key differences we need to be aware of. We’ll also discuss practical steps organisations can take to support healthy body image discussions and reduce harm, and the steps we can all take to foster a healthy body image for the next generation.
This is an important conversation - and one that’s long overdue.
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Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
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Jan 20, 2025
Jan 20, 2025
49 min
If your workplace thinks wellbeing is puppies and popsicles, then this episode is for you.
Getting your colleagues engaged in wellbeing at work can be hard. Even in organisations where safety is a huge focus, it doesn’t always mean they actually get what wellbeing is all about. So, what can you do?
Today, I’m joined by Leora Hornstein, an award-winning wellbeing specialist at Cenovus Energy in Canada. For the record, Leora and I often catch up, over time zones and continents to share ideas and chat all things wellbeing. She is an absolute superstar.
Leora started as a nurse before moving in a dedicated wellbeing role. In this episode, we’ll dive into what wellbeing looks like in the energy sector, explore the unique challenges of embedding wellbeing in a safety-focused organisation, and discuss her incredible advocacy for mental health awareness. Plus, we’ll unpack emerging trends in workplace wellbeing.
No matter your workplace or location, this conversation is packed with insights you won’t want to miss!
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Boost your wellbeing and make a difference at work: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.
And make sure you subscribe so you don't miss an episode!

Dec 10, 2024
Dec 10, 2024
33 min
Today’s podcast guest shared a startling statistic: we spend a whopping 82,000 hours of our lives at work. While many of us are great at prioritising our physical health outside the office - going for runs, eating well, walking in nature - we often forget about our physical wellbeing in the place where we spend most of our waking hours – especially if we’re desk-bound. It's a bit of a disconnect and it could be harmful in the long run.
In this episode, we’re joined by Agnes Lisowska Masson from Logitech. Agnes is an expert in human-computer interaction, working in the lab to discover what really works.
We explore how to make our workspaces work for us, not against us, and we look at how small changes in our daily routines can make a big difference.
No matter where you're working - from home, in a shared office space, or in a traditional office setting - this episode is packed with useful tips to help you work smarter and create a happy desk space that will boost your wellbeing.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Nov 6, 2024
Nov 6, 2024
42 min
Imagine a workplace where giving feedback feels completely safe and normal - a place where you can share your ideas or concerns without worrying that things might go badly. Unfortunately, many of us hold back from speaking up because we’ve either felt dismissed before or experienced situations where it all went wrong. But what if we could change that?
In this episode, we’re diving into psychological safety with executive leadership coach and author Suzi McAlpine. She explains why it’s essential for team engagement and decision-making, and how to foster trust within your team to combat burnout and enhance wellbeing and performance.
We’ll also cover the telltale signs of low psychological safety, the role of vulnerability in leadership, and the simple shifts that can make feedback a natural part of your team’s culture. This one is great for people leaders!
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Oct 14, 2024
Oct 14, 2024
45 min
Sleep is something we all do, and yet it’s a bit of a mystery. How much do we really need? What happens when we sleep? And why is it sometimes so hard to achieve, no matter how hard we try? These questions affect millions of people worldwide, impacting their health, life satisfaction, and productivity.
In this episode, we explore sleep with Bernice Tuffery, a sleep health advocate and author of "Sleep Easy". Bernice's journey from struggling with insomnia to becoming a sleep health coach is both inspiring and full of useful insights for anyone looking to improve their sleep. We also discuss how workplaces can support their employees' sleep health, creating a more productive and healthier work environment.
Whether you're a night owl, an early bird, or somewhere in between, this episode is packed with practical strategies and interesting insights to help you rethink your approach to sleep.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

Sep 29, 2024
Sep 29, 2024
28 min
In this episode, we’re exploring the profound impact trauma can have on people, teams, and organisations, and how workplaces can better respond and be more trauma-aware. We’ll unpack the difference between stress and trauma, and look at how events like the COVID-19 pandemic have reshaped our sense of wellbeing.
To better understand the effects of trauma, we’re joined by Ross Anderson, an Australian-based registered psychologist, executive coach, and leadership development expert. Ross has led complex change initiatives across sectors like Defence, Health, and Utilities, and formerly served as Director of MBS Mt Eliza executive education.
He brings extensive experience in trauma management, having served as Director of the National Trauma Clinic. Ross has been on the ground responding to critical incidents like the Queen St., Hoddle Street, and Port Arthur massacres, workplace injuries, and fatalities. His deep understanding offers invaluable insights into creating trauma-informed workplaces.
Here’s what you’ll take away from this episode:
- A better understanding of what trauma is and how it’s different from ongoing stress
- Key signs to look for in team members who may be experiencing trauma
- How different generations might respond to trauma
- The link between burnout and trauma—and why it’s important to recognize
- Practical steps for fostering a trauma-informed workplace
Whether you’re a leader, an HR professional, or simply looking to understand trauma in the workplace better, this episode provides valuable tools and insights to help you create a healthier, more supportive environment for your team, even during the toughest of times.
If anything in this episode feels a bit close to the bone, we encourage you to reach out to someone you trust or your national helpline.
Share your thoughts: We'd love to hear from you! Leave a review and let us know what you enjoyed most about this episode.
Get more: For episode chapters, transcript, highlights, and key takeaways, head to rowwellbeing.com/podcast
Be a champion for change in your workplace: Join ROW - together, we can break burnout culture for good.

The time to act is now
Learn how to improve workplace wellbeing from the experts
Guests join ROW Founder and CEO Sarah McGuinness to explore topics we can’t afford to ignore. On this podcast, learn about important topics, gain insights and build your workplace wellbeing capability. Be inspired and learn about issues we can all take action on.
About ROW
The Revolutionaires of Wellbeing (ROW) helps wellbeing managers and champions to be change-makers and to create better workplaces, together. With a community of leaders from organisations around the globe, ROW is dedicated to helping you to develop your professional expertise, access practical tools and resources, and network with peers and experts to meaningfully improve workplace wellbeing. We bring together experts and businesses to solve collective challenges and to share knowledge and experience.
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